For this conversation Gordon joined me from his home in Canada. Gordon provides a lively narrative account of his understandings of our multidimensional existence. We talk about out-of-body travel, the nature of the afterlife, the power of our belief systems to determine our experiences after death, the ways we can help people who have died and much more. Some highlights for me were Gordon’s stories of being trained for out-of-body travel by the helpers, the relationship between morality and self-judgment - the potential impact of disturbed extraphyical consciousnesses on our mental health and the importance of staying grounded. I hope you will enjoy Gordon’s story telling as much as I did. The first few seconds of our dialogue somehow did not get recorded so I apologise that the beginning seems like you’re jumping in mid-conversation.